Subject	re: Stock Set-Up question
Posted by	SactoTodd on May 23, 2003 at 1:46 PM
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In Reply To	AshSPEC "DOOLZ" -> posted by AshsZ (FabZEM All) on May 23, 2003 at 04:22 AM
Message	In a stock setup, air flows through the filters, through the MAS, and then splits to either side of the motor. The ECU gets the signal from the MAS, and "knows" how much air is going into the motor, correct? Does exactly half of the air that gets measured byt the MAS go into each side? In some kind of *dual* system, I'd think that measuring one side, and feeding double that signal, or having the AshSpec ECU double the signal would be close enough, and as accurate as the stock set-up. Correct? -Todd
Follow Ups	AshSPEC "DOOLZ" -> - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 04:22:19 05/23/03 Those are shit.. - WhiteOutZ 04:39:50 05/23/03 It will be less than any other you can get and will be - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 04:42:21 05/23/03 You forgot *the*, completely different conotation :) (n/m) - BigTDogg 08:31:37 05/23/03 Ash - Zboost 04:46:05 05/23/03 It is the large aluminum piece that the filter attaches to> - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 04:49:10 05/23/03 ahh.....thanks (n/m) - Zboost 04:50:13 05/23/03 so if I understand correctly... - ZEngineer 04:48:20 05/23/03 Toss your dual-poop. =) The shared area of this intake - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 04:53:23 05/23/03 makes perfect sense, good job man =) (n/m) - ZEngineer 04:55:07 05/23/03 thanks man. what do you think about the cover plate? (n/m) - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 05:00:17 05/23/03 doesn't it go on the back? (n/m) - Zboost 05:27:01 05/23/03 what purpose does the cover plate serve? - Spee 11:35:38 05/23/03 Cosmetic. I was thinking about making it out of wood tho. - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:46:46 05/23/03 Next question, have you actually tested this yet? - Woody75 (Denver) 08:48:58 05/23/03 So the MAF sits closer to the TBs in relation to the x-pipe? - Funky (NWZ) 11:31:45 05/23/03 The whole thing looks great, only thing is.. - WhiteOutZ 05:08:18 05/23/03 But will it fit with a front mount intercooler?? (n/m) - ZisLuv 06:17:43 05/23/03 V.2 will. (n/m) - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:50:33 05/23/03 Sweet! I like it a lot! (n/m) - BryZ32TT 06:27:07 05/23/03 Great job Ash... - Noncon 07:00:25 05/23/03 That is incredibly simple yet ingenious...fantastic (n/m) - dynamic_e 07:22:12 05/23/03 Re: AshSPEC "DOOLZ" -> - PhirZ 07:25:40 05/23/03 Re: Re: AshSPEC "DOOLZ" -> - Biglibby 08:34:57 05/23/03 yes (n/m) - aliaZ 09:40:32 05/23/03 LOL! The kit will come with and AshSPEC program. - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:34:15 05/23/03 Ooommm....where does the MAS go and how do you plan---> - Kyle(Houston) 07:42:45 05/23/03 It only has to flow half of 1100rwhp (n/m) - blaZe(Dallas) 08:01:12 05/23/03 I had to reread it-----> - Kyle(Houston) 08:49:21 05/23/03 Yep - did I mention my DoolZ ECU program will come as part - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:32:33 05/23/03 I don't actually see the MAF in your pic - blaZe(Dallas) 08:03:26 05/23/03 So in general all this does is eliminate the low speed hose? - Woody75 (Denver) 08:31:51 05/23/03 It seems it eliminates the low speed hose and the second MAS - KaZ (VaBch) 09:03:34 05/23/03 Same air pressure = same volume of air moving through - blaZe(Dallas) 09:49:13 05/23/03 it will still need dual pop programming - aliaZ 09:50:12 05/23/03 Ir does a lot more than *just* that. Re-read the points I - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:08:13 05/23/03 Please explain how/why the low speed hose can be ditched. (n/m) - Woody75 (Denver) 11:55:09 05/23/03 Shared area 'adds' the intake from both sides. The split - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:18:39 05/23/03 it will be interesting to see more info as it comes - NR98 (Ohio) 08:54:00 05/23/03 Just go to a MAP sensor and a $1500 standalone:-) - George(boost-solutions.com) 09:01:15 05/23/03 I'm confused...in general stage 3/4/5 cars don't need a dual - hoss 09:33:22 05/23/03 Ash's intake will not hurt a car with stock turbos;-) (n/m) - George(boost-solutions.com) 10:25:34 05/23/03 I have the JWT Dual pop and 555 program with the - AndrewZ 09:03:06 05/23/03 So Ash, when are you --->>> - George(boost-solutions.com) 09:03:47 05/23/03 LOL :) (n/m) - dragonballz 09:40:27 05/23/03 Yes, what about w/a FMIC? (n/m) - teahead 09:25:59 05/23/03 No front mounts and No Aux. Fan :-(.............. (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 10:23:23 05/23/03 Actually, you are wrong (nothing new though, eh?) - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:11:32 05/23/03 Damn Ash... - Funky (NWZ) 11:36:09 05/23/03 agreed 150% (n/m) - TARGETZ 11:41:29 05/23/03 Hey, if you dont like me it doesn't make the setup - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:48:00 05/23/03 I dont like Kyle. He knows this. Lots of people know this. - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:42:12 05/23/03 uhh... - Spee 12:00:09 05/23/03 ROFL so true (n/m) - TARGETZ 12:03:43 05/23/03 I know what you are talking about. What I'm saying is that - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:09:26 05/23/03 I understand that. - Spee 12:24:12 05/23/03 I can be as much/little of a jackass as I want. My prices - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:31:58 05/23/03 Regardless of what logic would suggest... - Funky (NWZ) 12:10:00 05/23/03 Well, I must have a decent marketing campaign. - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:28:27 05/23/03 Okey dokey... well. If you think you are doing a good job.. - Funky (NWZ) 12:55:32 05/23/03 Not for the FMIC with that setup. I have a couple - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 09:40:52 05/23/03 It's an x-pipe by design, no 'low speed drivability' issues (n/m) - Kez43 10:12:25 05/23/03 Yes, I can see it is an x-pipe by design, thank you (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 11:41:07 05/23/03 lol, my point was that there should be no low speed issues - Kez43 12:18:03 05/23/03 Seeing that made me pull out an old prototype we had---> - Kyle(Houston) 09:45:14 05/23/03 Couple of Qs... - Rickey(Houston) 10:00:10 05/23/03 It was built for a Non-Turbo car----> - Kyle(Houston) 10:04:17 05/23/03 That looks kinda rough... - George(boost-solutions.com) 10:27:37 05/23/03 LOL...you are killing me :-)------> - Kyle(Houston) 10:33:09 05/23/03 George is on a roll with a side of slaw >>>> - Mike (Austin) 16:46:30 05/23/03 Yeah, don't get me started on Sunbelt:-) And I was just - George(boost-solutions.com) 20:14:56 05/23/03 that really wouldn't make a difference though, would it? - Spee 10:40:48 05/23/03 Same here. I don't get it yet. (n/m) - Woody75 (Denver) 10:51:21 05/23/03 He is still doubling the signal like the dual pop. (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 11:39:28 05/23/03 Dont forget, I reprogram ECUs. The program comes with - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:01:08 05/23/03 Don't you have to double the fuel amount because - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:43:49 05/23/03 I'm not getting into the dynamics of ECU tuning. - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 19:54:07 05/23/03 Figures you wouldn't grasp the concept of splitting the - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:15:39 05/23/03 It was built for a Non-Turbo....read the posts---> - Kyle(Houston) 11:51:08 05/23/03 now I see the "pie-in-the-face" Ash was talking about - fourZero 12:07:06 05/23/03 And what is the price?.......... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 12:15:25 05/23/03 I don't think he has mentioned price yet (n/m) - Spee 12:17:11 05/23/03 I realize this.. - fourZero 12:22:33 05/23/03 LOL, harp on proof. You dont see a weld because the plate - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:14:57 05/23/03 Show me a finished picture...I am interested in where the--> - Kyle(Houston) 12:16:56 05/23/03 If you had the slightest clue on the dynamics of - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 19:52:20 05/23/03 My thoughts (good idea in theory but) >>> - VECTOR 11:25:53 05/23/03 I agreee 100% (n/m) - TARGETZ 11:32:54 05/23/03 With my dual mass I have a tee inbetween the - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 11:37:15 05/23/03 I recall you e-mailing me and I shared what I found - VECTOR 11:49:34 05/23/03 Re: I recall you e-mailing me and I shared what I found - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:47:01 05/23/03 Dual MAS are way better. - TARGETZ 11:38:10 05/23/03 More pictures >> - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:57:30 05/23/03 if that plate is just for looks, leave it out - fourZero 12:08:38 05/23/03 Then it will just be an option for the user. :) (n/m) - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:10:26 05/23/03 OK next step then.. - fourZero 12:13:08 05/23/03 Not that I am a form > function kinda guy... - Spee 12:14:55 05/23/03 There are two MAS units on my car. One is simply to equal - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:16:32 05/23/03 re: Stock Set-Up question - SactoTodd 13:46:51 05/23/03 What is the X-plate for? I thought that was a jig - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:59:43 05/23/03 Cosmetics. I carved that little gem while my bro was - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 19:47:28 05/23/03
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